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My Uncle George was in the 341st Engineer Gen. Serv. Reg. In the one picture of him that I have seen he is wearing his dress uniform which has a shoulder patch that is round. Inside this round circle are cross hairs with the diagonal quarters colored in. It looks like cross hairs one sees in a rifle scope or a transit. I think this photo was taken in 1943 before he shipped out for Europe.

 

Can anyone shed some light on this? My research so far is that the 341st was a part of 1st Army for a little while in France and later 3rd Army after the breakout. I am not positive of this so if anyone knows for sure I would love to hear.

 

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Parker



   
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It looks like cross hairs one sees in a rifle scope

What are the colors??

If it is a Blue and White---the cross hairs blue and the background white, then that would be the 35th Infantry Division, which was part of Patton's Army.

BTW, yesterday I bought a DVD copy of "Kelly's Heroes" with my main man Clint. They were wearing the shoulder patch of the 35ID.

 

Click on the Link in my Signature and scroll down past the table to see the shoulder patches of the Infantry Divisions. Of course, his patch could be a special Engineer unit patch and not in this table.

 

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Steve,

 

Thanks for the reply but the patch is not the 35 ID. I checked like you suggested and it is close but no cigar. This photograph is somewhat colorized but the coloring inside the patch looks brown. Maybe this will help..... The crosshairs run from the edge of the patch to the edge of the patch. They are not inset like the 35th ID. To be honest the patch in the photo looks subdued. Does that help at all?

 

thanks,

 

 

parker



   
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The 341st were a general service engineering regiment. I will have more info within the next few hours. Am scanning some pages for you. ;)

 

Later this same afternoon...

 

Doh!!! Realized I had given this to you previously. Sorry. Will try and find info on the patch however.

 

You can try writing to Richard Horrell of WWII Connections too. He has over 5000 books in his collection. He very well may have info on the patch that he wore.

 

http://www.ww2connections.com


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I thought I'd post this first, while I am copying etc.

 

Found this here for you:

 

http://oldbaglady.pbwiki.com/Unit%20Histories

 

#5893 Coe, Edward (Ed) : HISTORY OF THE 341ST ENGINEER REGIMENT July 29, 1943 - March 22, 1946. 1st Edition 1st Printing, Illus TypeB&W Photographs VG/very slight shelf wear spine, otherwise nice cond. Red cover, tight cond. From July 1943 to March 1946. Pictoral history. Small 4to - 9" to 11" Unpaginated pgs. Hardcover / $135.00


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Hey can you scan that photo for me Parker? That would help tremendously.


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I will try to scan/copy this photograph. The problem is the photo is in a gold leaf frame in my Mom's house. I will do what I can but Mom is more than a little protective of this picture.

 

Thank's for the info (web site) that has the book "History of the 341st". As always you are truly a great help.

 

Parker



   
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I am picking up several insignia books within the next couple of weeks and that will really help us out. I'll let you know when I get them.

 

I can't blame your mom regarding the photo. I know you won't, but please don't take it out of the frame if you think you might damage it. We will figure this out one way or the other. :pdt34:


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Marion,

 

Went over to Mon's after work and between my brother and I we took some pictures of Uncle George's picture. We did not take it out of the frame so Mom was happy. Tell me how to E-mail them to you please. They are on a CD.

 

Color me happy and feel free to post it or whatever. Thanks.

 

Parker



   
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Let's see that thang.


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Larry, got your email. Here is the photo for all to see.

 

In talking to my Mom last nite she said this picture was taken in June 1943

while my Uncle was home on leave from helping with the AlCan highway and

before he shipped out for Europe.

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Custerman,

 

If I had had my act together this whole thing could have been avoided. I think.....

 

The patch I described was the black and white patch I had seen in the ww11 book "Overseas with the 341st. As I explained to Marion the patch in the book is blacked in from the 12:00 to 2:00 position and from the 6:00 to the 8:00. So now that I refer to your divison patch site it must be the 7th. Is this correct?

 

Parker



   
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Thanks Marion......You are a sweetheart just like everyone says.

 

Parker



   
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Yep, that's it. We got her figured out! Yipee!!! :pdt34:

 

http://www.stanford.edu/~maxe/hourglass/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Infantry_Division

 

http://www.historyshots.com/USArmy/Division.cfm?did=7


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now that I refer to your divison patch site it must be the 7th. Is this correct?

Parker,

Yep. 7th Infantry Division. It does appear to be that. At first you said it was subdued and I was thinking Viet Nam era patch. But this is either a colorized photo or a faded color photo and so the colors can be off by quite a bit. Old faded photos tend to loose their red pigment or for more modern photos they can lose their Blue.

 

Now try to ask around and see if you can find old letters or such that would give more clues to his exact unit. You will be surprised that some relative will have a letter stuffed away somewhere.

Last weekend, my aunt showed me 5 "undiscovered" letters from her husband---2 of them were sent from Stalag IIb. The letters were sent to his brother and had been in their posession.

 

Those distant Aunts are good at saving old clippings but they also are slow to find them and show them to others. :(

 

Steve


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