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I'm not sure if this is the proper forum to post this but I thought I'd try here first. Please let me know if I should post to a different on as I am new here.

 

The tombstone of my uncle (and godfather), Herbert Joseph Rice (#32261778) says he was in Co A, 292^nd Eng C Btn. In searching for info on this unit I found this informative website so am hoping someone on here can help me figure out his connection to the 292^nd.

 

I tried the NPRC but only received the dates of enlistment and discharge. I am not next-of-kin -- he married but had no children.

 

Briefly, here is what I have pieced together so far on his military service:

1. Enlisted 23 Mar 1942, Fort Dix NJ – from NY (born in Ireland but brought to US as infant and raised in Manhattan NYC)

1. Photo (undated) – in dress uniform, MP slip-on arm band, Sam Brown belt, & pistol with barracks-type buildings in the background. Looks like the US south.

1. Was attached to 77^th Infantry Div (I have the actual patch he wore!!) - is listed as a Private in Co K in the Div roster but was transferred out before the 77^th went to the Pacific, March 1944.

1. Wedding photo Jan 1944 – jacket has patch of the 4^th Area Service Command.

1. Photo (undated) of Herb in uniform having a beer in a bar/club. Written on the photo is “178 (US) Gen Hosp Non Coms Club”. The 178^th was in the area of Reims, France.

1. A 3 ring binder covered with leather and hand tooled with “Reims 1945” on the cover which he sent home to his sister and now in my possession.

1. Excerpts from letters of medical tech father of a fellow researcher written in Reims, 1945, where he was with the 178^th Gen Hospital. He mentions “Rice from NY” who told him about the GIs trying to get photos at the school house where the surrender was signed; and then “Herbie Rice, a 253^rd man” and says Herb was the supply Sgt and in charge of the bar/beer garden.

1. Discharged 8 Mar 1946.

I can’t figure out is how the 292^nd fits into this -- from what I’ve read, they landed in France in Dec 1944 and then onward into Germany. I do not see him in the photo of Co A – he was 6'4", skinny as a bean pole, very high forehead, and ears standing way out.

 

Don’t know what the 253^rd was (as mentioned in the letter noted above) or when he was with the 292^nd. Could he have been left behind when the Btn went to Germany? Or gone there and come back or ????? I’ve come across 2 other Herbert Rices - one was a POW and another was a Ranger.

 

If anyone has any suggestions or ideas about this mystery, I’d love to hear from you. Thank you in advance !!

Hello KRO,

Warmest welcome here on the forum, we are certainly glad to have you with us. This is the right place to post your queries. You have given us quite a bit to think about here but hey, we like a challenge. I have given a quick look through all my documents this morning and have not spotted your uncle's name, but my records are not near complete. Our friend Gary (sirgator) has some of the general orders for the 292nd, perhaps your uncle's name is to be found there, I'm sure Gary will check in with us soon. The time frame of when your uncle was transferred out of the 77th matches up with the period when the ranks of the newly formed 292nd were being filled with new recruits and personnel from established units. If he was attached to the 292nd at this time maybe he was originally with one of the other companies in the battalion and this is why you do not find him in the Company A photo. Have you tried to look for him in the Company C photo? His discharge date also matches up with the time frame for the return of the 292nd to the US. A thought here is that perhaps he was just attached to the 292nd for the journey home, not all soldiers returned with the units they were assigned to.

I assume you do not have your uncle's discharge papers since you do not mention it. It of course would help clear up this matter. You could look for a copy at the local courthouse where your uncle lived after the war. The VA would be another place to look. Check out the Help Section here on the forum for where to find documents, Marion has provided a great resource for this.

If you feel comfortable with sharing the photos and materials you have of your uncle with us here on the forum we would love to see them and they could provide us with clues to help solve this mystery. We are still in the process of gathering documents for the 292nd, perhaps your uncle's name will be found in them. Check in with us as often as you can, we will do our best to help you out here.

Randy

Thank you Marion & Randy for the welcome !!! To answer some of your questions Randy:

1. I do not see my uncle in either Company A or C photos posted in this forum. Although there are several men with pronounced ears, none are Herbie.

2. The document I received from the NPRC is Form 13164 - Information releasable under FOIA with dates of service, status, awards, and date of death only. Perhaps it is because I am not officially his next-of-kin ???? His wife, parents, and all siblings are deceased and he had no children but nieces/nephews don't count officially. The cover letter was the general one that sounds like most people receive referring to the 1973 fire.

3. I read the helpful hints files on this site so will pursue the discharge documents via the VA, town clerk, etc. and hopefully that could be more productive.

I'd be happy to share the photos I have.....if I can figure out how to do so. When I click on the "Image" icon above, it wants a URL address. Do I need to upload the images first to some cloud storage or am I overlooking how to upload from a folder on my computer? I'd rather upload as thumbnails if possible.

Regards, (and hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving)

Kathleen

Thank you Marion & Randy for the welcome !!! To answer some of your questions Randy:

 

1. I do not see my uncle in either Company A or C photos posted in this forum. Although there are several men with pronounced ears, none are Herbie.

 

2. The document I received from the NPRC is Form 13164 - Information releasable under FOIA with dates of service, status, awards, and date of death only. Perhaps it is because I am not officially his next-of-kin ???? His wife, parents, and all siblings are deceased and he had no children but nieces/nephews don't count officially. The cover letter was the general one that sounds like most people receive referring to the 1973 fire.

 

3. I read the helpful hints files on this site so will pursue the discharge documents via the VA, town clerk, etc. and hopefully that could be more productive.

 

I'd be happy to share the photos I have.....if I can figure out how to do so. When I click on the "Image" icon above, it wants a URL address. Do I need to upload the images first to some cloud storage or am I overlooking how to upload from a folder on my computer? I'd rather upload as thumbnails if possible.

 

Regards, (and hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving)

Kathleen

Hello Kathleen,

To add photos and files to your post you need to click on the box in the lower right hand corner, "More Reply Options". More boxes will appear in the lower left hand side, click "Choose File", this will allow you to select the photo or file you want from your computer. Once you have made your selection then click, "Open" and "Attach This File", this will upload the file. When it is uploaded then click "Add To Post" and you are all set. Hope this helps you, if you have any problems let us know. We certainly look forward to anything you may have of your uncle's to share with us. Have a good day,

Randy

Thanks to our good buddy Randy (aka buk2112) for providing a copy of the 292nd ECB WW2 Operations Map. He did this quite awhile ago. Despite the fact it's a reduced size copy, I have been able to get a decent scan for others to enjoy. So here it is in all it's glory, folks. Thanks again, Randy, for this opportunity!

 

p.s. I have it in much higher resolution for anyone interested. Just message me.

Great job Gary, and thanks for the shout out. Big thanks to Ralph (aka rwrich51) for passing it along to me. Have a good one,

Randy

Thanks for the instructions Randy !! Here are the photos I mentioned.

Photo w/ Herbert on left, brother on right, taken about 1942
Photo w/ MP arm band - probably about same time as photo with brother
Photo w/ Statue of Liberty patch, 77th Inf Div, taken between 1942-44 (I have the patch he wore)
Photo w/ 4th Area Service Command patch taken between 1942-44
Photo w/ notation of 178th Gen Hosp Non-Coms Club & Herbert w/arrow - taken about 1944/45
Photo of notebook Herbert sent home to his sister (in my possesion now)
Info from NPRC

I'm not sure if this is the proper forum to post this but I thought I'd try here first. Please let me know if I should post to a different on as I am new here.

 

The tombstone of my uncle (and godfather), Herbert Joseph Rice (#32261778) says he was in Co A, 292^nd Eng C Btn. In searching for info on this unit I found this informative website so am hoping someone on here can help me figure out his connection to the 292^nd.

 

I tried the NPRC but only received the dates of enlistment and discharge. I am not next-of-kin -- he married but had no children.

 

Briefly, here is what I have pieced together so far on his military service:

1. Enlisted 23 Mar 1942, Fort Dix NJ – from NY (born in Ireland but brought to US as infant and raised in Manhattan NYC)

1. Photo (undated) – in dress uniform, MP slip-on arm band, Sam Brown belt, & pistol with barracks-type buildings in the background. Looks like the US south.

1. Was attached to 77^th Infantry Div (I have the actual patch he wore!!) - is listed as a Private in Co K in the Div roster but was transferred out before the 77^th went to the Pacific, March 1944.

1. Wedding photo Jan 1944 – jacket has patch of the 4^th Area Service Command.

1. Photo (undated) of Herb in uniform having a beer in a bar/club. Written on the photo is “178 (US) Gen Hosp Non Coms Club”. The 178^th was in the area of Reims, France.

1. A 3 ring binder covered with leather and hand tooled with “Reims 1945” on the cover which he sent home to his sister and now in my possession.

1. Excerpts from letters of medical tech father of a fellow researcher written in Reims, 1945, where he was with the 178^th Gen Hospital. He mentions “Rice from NY” who told him about the GIs trying to get photos at the school house where the surrender was signed; and then “Herbie Rice, a 253^rd man” and says Herb was the supply Sgt and in charge of the bar/beer garden.

1. Discharged 8 Mar 1946.

I can’t figure out is how the 292^nd fits into this -- from what I’ve read, they landed in France in Dec 1944 and then onward into Germany. I do not see him in the photo of Co A – he was 6'4", skinny as a bean pole, very high forehead, and ears standing way out.

 

Don’t know what the 253^rd was (as mentioned in the letter noted above) or when he was with the 292^nd. Could he have been left behind when the Btn went to Germany? Or gone there and come back or ????? I’ve come across 2 other Herbert Rices - one was a POW and another was a Ranger.

 

If anyone has any suggestions or ideas about this mystery, I’d love to hear from you. Thank you in advance !!

KRO

The 253rd may have been the 253rd combat battalion that was part of the 9th army, which the 292nd was also a part of. Also could he have re-upped at the end of the war and been put with the 292nd which was building and supervising POW camps?

Ken

Okay, after reviewing photo's and recent posts concerning the "men in white" we have determined that my grandfather Edwin Grosskurth is actually the 2nd guy from the right in the (white coats).

Does anyone else have an opinion???

Regards,

Martha

Okay, after reviewing photo's and recent posts concerning the "men in white" we have determined that my grandfather Edwin Grosskurth is actually the 2nd guy from the right in the (white coats).

 

Does anyone else have an opinion???

 

Regards,

 

MarthaforUploadGrandpaCook.jpg

grandpas.military.headshot.jpg

 

Hi Martha I can't say for sure but looks pretty close to me, I also seen that your grandfathers mos was Cook 060 so I'd give it a good chance you are right. I would like to see Gary"s opinion as he has been really good at matching the men up.....Ralph

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Folks,

My apologies for disappearing for awhile. Work swamped me at first. My 101 yo old grandmother who I take care of had some issues which we are only now starting to get under control. I hope all had a great holiday and I will endeavor to read up on what I missed so I can get back into the swing of things.

I thing of note is that just a day or so ago I finally received the IDPF file for PFC Earl Haughton who was injured in the bombing of Company A compound on night of April 18th, 1945 and died the next day of his wounds. Now to try to track down where the IDPF is for Charles Crawford who died of wounds suffered after stepping on a land mine on February 18th, 1945. Hopefully I will be able to get this one real soon.

Thanks for your patience, my 292nd friends!

Gary

I'm not sure if this is the proper forum to post this but I thought I'd try here first. Please let me know if I should post to a different on as I am new here.

 

The tombstone of my uncle (and godfather), Herbert Joseph Rice (#32261778) says he was in Co A, 292^nd Eng C Btn. In searching for info on this unit I found this informative website so am hoping someone on here can help me figure out his connection to the 292^nd.

 

I tried the NPRC but only received the dates of enlistment and discharge. I am not next-of-kin -- he married but had no children.

 

Briefly, here is what I have pieced together so far on his military service:

1. Enlisted 23 Mar 1942, Fort Dix NJ – from NY (born in Ireland but brought to US as infant and raised in Manhattan NYC)

1. Photo (undated) – in dress uniform, MP slip-on arm band, Sam Brown belt, & pistol with barracks-type buildings in the background. Looks like the US south.

1. Was attached to 77^th Infantry Div (I have the actual patch he wore!!) - is listed as a Private in Co K in the Div roster but was transferred out before the 77^th went to the Pacific, March 1944.

1. Wedding photo Jan 1944 – jacket has patch of the 4^th Area Service Command.

1. Photo (undated) of Herb in uniform having a beer in a bar/club. Written on the photo is “178 (US) Gen Hosp Non Coms Club”. The 178^th was in the area of Reims, France.

1. A 3 ring binder covered with leather and hand tooled with “Reims 1945” on the cover which he sent home to his sister and now in my possession.

1. Excerpts from letters of medical tech father of a fellow researcher written in Reims, 1945, where he was with the 178^th Gen Hospital. He mentions “Rice from NY” who told him about the GIs trying to get photos at the school house where the surrender was signed; and then “Herbie Rice, a 253^rd man” and says Herb was the supply Sgt and in charge of the bar/beer garden.

1. Discharged 8 Mar 1946.

I can’t figure out is how the 292^nd fits into this -- from what I’ve read, they landed in France in Dec 1944 and then onward into Germany. I do not see him in the photo of Co A – he was 6'4", skinny as a bean pole, very high forehead, and ears standing way out.

 

Don’t know what the 253^rd was (as mentioned in the letter noted above) or when he was with the 292^nd. Could he have been left behind when the Btn went to Germany? Or gone there and come back or ????? I’ve come across 2 other Herbert Rices - one was a POW and another was a Ranger.

 

If anyone has any suggestions or ideas about this mystery, I’d love to hear from you. Thank you in advance !!

Although a little late in coming, welcome to the forum, Kathleen! Let me take a look through what I have to see if I can find a Herbert Rice mentioned and will post the results of me search.

Okay, after reviewing photo's and recent posts concerning the "men in white" we have determined that my grandfather Edwin Grosskurth is actually the 2nd guy from the right in the (white coats).

 

Does anyone else have an opinion???

 

Regards,

 

MarthaforUploadGrandpaCook.jpg

grandpas.military.headshot.jpg

 

Martha,

Let me take a close look and I will offer up an opinion in short order. Thanks for your patience.

Gary

Okay, after reviewing photo's and recent posts concerning the "men in white" we have determined that my grandfather Edwin Grosskurth is actually the 2nd guy from the right in the (white coats).

 

Does anyone else have an opinion???

 

Regards,

 

MarthaforUploadGrandpaCook.jpg

grandpas.military.headshot.jpg

 

Martha,

Here's my take... by looking at the photos up close I believe there are many characteristics of the two that are similar including the left ears and the crease on either side of the nose. I think the roundness under the chin is the same, also, even though in the later image it is partially obscured. The one thing that initially had me concerned is that the man in the later image has a thinner face. After some thought my contention is that this may be due to your grandfather having lost some weight during his time serving in Europe. I know my grandfather was much thinner during his service. I think if you add to the fact that as Ralph said your grandfather had a Cook MOS then all of this circumstantial evidence leads me to the conclusion that in my opinion that the cook in the A Company photo is your grandfather.

Other opinions?

Gary